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I hadn't heard much about the flatwoods

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monster case as I was growing up and you

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followed yet first got a piece of 1938

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and I'd heard about it read about in

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some encyclopedias and so forth but it

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was only when Frank ficino called me to

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appear at their 50th anniversary

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celebration in flatwoods that I looked a

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lot more closely to see it what do I

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want to get involved with here I mean

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this is real is not real is it just a

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story it's very impressed with what I

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found so I agreed to go down there and I

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was astonished and talking to frank and

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setting the material and we spent time

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together and 50th anniversary to see the

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enormous amount of information he had

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collected and when talking to the

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witnesses and I believe you have to go

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to the site if you're going to learn

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something useful about in case it's very

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helpful so with flatwoods being able to

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walk the walk let the kids took going up

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the hill to see the big tree to see the

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area where the de saucer had landed up

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above as soon as you saw those things

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you've got a very important context for

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the story and that's what it been there

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was the highest place in the area so

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whoever was running the darn thing would

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look around and say hey we better put it

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down there there's no place apples fruit

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bed trouble otherwise so that made sense

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that place made absolute sense

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and then when you go up the hill to go

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past the tree what's left to me the

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family the people had gone up past

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monster came off that you can again

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understand they're going up there to see

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what's up there they had no expectation

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of all of running into something over

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here especially some it's a monster some

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different things totally unexpected

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thing and so we start looking at this

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get talk to the witnesses and you find

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out that the kids got sick got a whiff

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of this crazy gas or oil or whatever it

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was maybe the two together and how they

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understood it could make kids sick and I

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kids were sick all night long the

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reporter found that out when you hear

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about what the National Guard guy they

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11 found it begins to really pile up

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facts and data and information and then

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when i read the air force explanation

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Jake no surprise there was just a meteor

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while meteors have certain properties

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they look very rapidly when they hit the

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ground and big noise until you big hole

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in the ground and there are remnants of

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the meteor none of these culture meteors

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don't circle around the city and come

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down a plan you could say well just went

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down the other side but that wasn't what

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the people Percy and when you hear the

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explanation not only was it a meteor up

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there oh there's not the slightest bit

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of evidence that there was if you look

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at the meteor compilations for that Here

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Come flight what's being here and when

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you hear about the monster and then the

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stupid explanation that was an owl I

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mean big Wow real big now and that the

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kids getting sick

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I was because they were Frank none that

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makes any sense look at that here's the

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monster out here's the monster you know

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how high the branch was up here when the

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skeptics put out drawings of course they

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got the branch down here but the object

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couldn't have moved out if there was a

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branch in the way he went under the

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branch that was maybe 12 feet off the

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ground so I don't know what this thing

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was I suspect it was protective gear

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being run by somebody and even remotely

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and they seem to be antennas now people

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were misled by the initial drawings ever

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put together I as to what this was but

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it's remarkable when you look at the

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fine drawings made by the final kids

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were up there and the local reporter at

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each kid doing separate you see how

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alike they were standard legal

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procedures say if five leap will

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describe something the same way then

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they're probably describing the same

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thing and you know this is impressive

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for find different eggs and this is

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peculiar nobody's ever reported a cowl

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like affairs like Asus painting was made

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of behind something but this is not like

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they copied it from a science-fiction

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magazine so you have an honest reporter

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who actually was willing to go on

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television with the kids and Mrs May

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primary witness now I was favorably

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impressed with the witnesses too I get a

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real kick out of people who attacked

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with us but don't talk to them make up

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an explanation

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you know they were just seeing attention

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they wanted to be somebody the intention

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UFO witnesses get is not usually very

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blessed especially in a small town we

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get laughed at by the people in the

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community these kids had nothing again

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Mrs May at nothing to gain though they

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went on television big deal they were

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being accommodating to a local reporter

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mr. Stewart and when you attacked the

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people's credibility without giving any

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good reason for doing so and when you

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ignore the data and when he refused to

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go to the site to see things firsthand

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or to talk for the firsthand witnesses

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that's what dr. joe nickell did regard

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to this case it was in flatwoods but he

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didn't go up to see the hill or the

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gully with the faint move down and he

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didn't talk to the witnesses needed to

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go to the trade a kind of Investigation

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is that one of the major contributions

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kushina was made to the investigation

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from on responsive case is to dig out

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the blue book files difficult as it was

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they were hard to read but you look at

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all the witness testimony from you know

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people saying it was not a meteor i have

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people who haven't seen meteors might

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think it was but i have seen meteors is

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clearly being flown that's obviously the

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craft was in trouble or wouldn't have

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come down and they seem azad is kind of

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burning so you got to go down cool it

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off it's amazing out there on the site

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see how steep the gully is the terrain

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is rugged is not gently sloping hills

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think slid on down this object went back

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there and a whole thing took off

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sometime later meanwhile lots of

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information was collected which we have

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never seen and day 11 pointed out in

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every on the feedback on the stuff that

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he sent any sentence samples of the

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liquid samples of the metal nobody knows

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what happened where it went what the

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results were that's what I think

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happened here and I think the government

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was the guys on the inside at the UM

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were very much concerned about what this

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meant the first place people were scared

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all the pieces monster that conjures up

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all kinds of things

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and in the second place what does this

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mean that these guys here to destroy us

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where they get ready to attack you know

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the imagination plays tricks and if you

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talk about a 12-foot high monster that

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is scary and so you can understand the

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government's concern if not making any

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more of this story that they had to it's

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part of the job of the government to

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prevent public panic about things to

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tamp down too much excitement because it

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gets in the way of getting rational

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things done so I'm not blaming the

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government entirely for lying about this

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but what are they gonna say that

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wouldn't scare the heck country they're

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going to tell you about all the other

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sightings that night of craft moving

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across the country from the east coast

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over don't think so but Frank Ficino has

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collected the stories from the

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newspapers all over the east and it is

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clear there were lots of months of

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sightings of truly unidentified flying

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objects that were not meteors so flat

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boots is a good solid case Frank Luchino

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has collected more data on that case

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then has been collected in any other

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case that I'm aware but I've been on